Kevin Nishimura from Hawaii Gas - Coffee with Jim and James Episode 172

Episode 172 March 06, 2024 00:29:01
Kevin Nishimura from Hawaii Gas - Coffee with Jim and James Episode 172
Coffee With Jim & James
Kevin Nishimura from Hawaii Gas - Coffee with Jim and James Episode 172

Mar 06 2024 | 00:29:01


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James Cross Jim Schauer

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Ever wondered how Hawaii stays powered up?

Kevin Nishimura from Hawaii Gas spills the beans on everything from synthetic natural gas to green hydrogen.

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[00:00:24] Speaker A: So we've been. Been planning this moment, Jimmy, you know that. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Oh, yes, without a doubt. [00:00:29] Speaker A: Working with some folks over at Hawaii gas. Maggie has been amazing. Send our thanks to her shout out. But we have been working on this and something, whether you knew it or not, we were really excited to talk to you. We've been thinking about. So I don't know how you feel. [00:00:50] Speaker C: Oh. [00:00:52] Speaker B: As a recovering and still whatever utility guy, I cannot wait to dive into some of the things I want to ask because I do want to learn and I want to share this with the folks back home so they understand what utility grids are like on the islands. So I'm trembling with anticipation. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Kevin, before we get started, do us a favor and introduce yourself to the people back home. [00:01:15] Speaker C: Sure thing. Aloha from Hawaii. I am Kevin Ishimura, vice president of operations with Hawaii Gas. Been with Hawaii Gas now for 31 years. Started when you were seven, is it? [00:01:29] Speaker A: I'm sorry, Kevin. We're going to be best friends. [00:01:32] Speaker C: Yeah, we are. And yeah, it's been a great run working for the only gas utility in Hawaii. And we'll talk a little bit about Hawaii gas in a sec. But Hawaii gas is not just a utility. It's a combination utility and non utility business. [00:01:51] Speaker A: I don't even know what that means. [00:01:52] Speaker C: I can't wait to dive in. [00:01:54] Speaker A: I'm scared because of these two, because I told Kevin a minute ago, I said, listen, I told Jim before this episode, I need you to be the gas. [00:02:06] Speaker C: Nerd. [00:02:07] Speaker A: We'll be best friends, so be prepared for that. I don't know if you can be. [00:02:13] Speaker C: Are you ready? [00:02:14] Speaker A: First, I want to talk about your origin story. We're big on origin stories. We want to inspire other people to get involved, and it looks different for everyone. And so I'm really interested in 31 years. Right? 31 years, what that looks like. So you just started as VP of Ops? 31 years. [00:02:31] Speaker C: I stepped in as VP of Ops right out of college. It was great. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Oh, just as promised. [00:02:36] Speaker C: Right. And I think I'm at the expiration date of VP of Ops, so I'm not sure what comes next. Actually, I came in 31 years ago as a staff engineer. I entered at the bottom level of engineering, barely able to read, but got to learn the codes, got to learn about the gas business, infrastructure, pipelines, tanks. And it's been fun. I mean, did that for a few years. Got into the pipeline operations, learned about the Fimza stuff. That's fun, right? [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yes, it is. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Talking our love language. [00:03:12] Speaker C: Yeah, that's our world. Did operations and maintenance on the pipeline, catholic protection, pressure control leak survey. Oversaw that for a while. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Integrity testing, also. [00:03:25] Speaker C: Integrity testing. We did our first pigging. Gosh, that was back in maybe 15 years back. [00:03:31] Speaker D: Right. Okay. [00:03:32] Speaker C: That became on our transmission line. So yeah, spent about two decades in pipeline operations, then moved out of that, out of my comfort zone. Got into customer care, customer service. Love that. Actually got to see the end user. [00:03:52] Speaker A: For the first time. [00:03:54] Speaker C: Regulators, stuff like that. Fun stuff like that. But got to see some of our customers, got to solve some problems for them. And love that. Did that for a few years. And then worked on bringing Lng to Hawaii as another supply source for careful for Hawaii gas. [00:04:14] Speaker A: Do you see a vase light up? [00:04:16] Speaker C: We brought in the very 1st 40 foot container of LNG into Hawaii, an ISO 14 ISo container out of California. [00:04:26] Speaker D: Okay. [00:04:26] Speaker C: So we have that in our supply chain. That's really cool. And a few years ago moved into this overall operations position, seeing statewide operations. So it's been exciting, it's been fun. We have a great team here in Hawaii. As you'd expect, life in Hawaii is a little different. Being 2500 miles from anyone else. Everything's imported. It forces you to be creative, it forces you to look at new ways of doing things. And we turn into a creature that doesn't look like anything else in the states. [00:05:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:05:04] Speaker A: And I know Jim's going to dive into that big time. And we're all excited because we've been gathering questions as we went to ask you about some of that. I know it's an important year for Hawaii guests as well. 120 years. [00:05:19] Speaker C: This is our 120th birthday. It's pretty amazing. 19 four. [00:05:23] Speaker A: So can you talk a little bit about that? I'm sure you have to give this time to time. [00:05:28] Speaker C: I can't remember first day, but as best as I can, it goes way back. And I wish I came with more of the facts, but it goes way back to when Hawaii was not even a state. And we actually got commissioned to do the gas utility from the royalty in Hawaii. Right. Okay, so back 19 four. The Hawaii gas started, I think at the time we called it Honolulu Gas company. Over the years we started with town gas, which is still being used in parts of the world. Town gas is a little different from the S G that we have now, but it's the same idea where you crack a larger hydrocarbon into a gas and then you feed it out through a distribution system. So we did that for years. We went through multiple layers of ownership at the time when we first started to do our synthetic natural gas. We built the plant 50 years ago. [00:06:32] Speaker A: I was going to say, isn't it. [00:06:33] Speaker C: The 50 anniversary, 1974? We commissioned the plant. That plant replaced our town gas plant in town. And we also built at the same time of the plant, a 16 inch diameter transmission line. [00:06:48] Speaker D: Okay. [00:06:49] Speaker C: Intended to bring the gas into town from where the gas plant is and also intended to serve as our storage pipe. [00:06:58] Speaker A: Well, I'll let, senator, you have the floor. I know you've been itching for this moment. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Well, I have. [00:07:05] Speaker A: You getting giddy over there and kind of antsy? [00:07:08] Speaker B: Well, it's a couple of things. Two, once we realized that we were coming here, I started to talk to my friends in the industry. So again, industry operators and such like that, and we just had a lot of common questions. They were like, I really haven't given a lot of thought because here in the continental United States, we have fields where we have production that go through cleaning, and then it goes through transmission lines that go to midstream town border stations and then are put into a LDC local distribution company. And that's what we know. And we were sitting around over the last few months, and I've just had conversations where people are like, well, wait a minute, I really don't even understand. Do they have any natural gas naturally on the island? First and foremost. That was a thought. And then it went to, oh, they must have lng terminals on all the islands to bring lng in. And we were just carrying around. Then we started to google things, and then we started to see hydrogen sng all the things. And we're know, Hawaii gas is leap years ahead of us because we're still trying to understand blending hydrogen into our existing lines. And then all of a sudden, we're like Googling and we're like, well, they've been doing it for 50 years, and we're like, we have a lot to learn and a lot to share. And that's why I'm excited is really we're going to bring things back that are going to have some great conversations and I would imagine Hawaii gas, and you are probably going to get some folks that are going to reach out to you on that. So let's start at the first part for sure. I learned that really, Oahu is the main island with a natural gas grid. Is that correct? [00:08:43] Speaker C: That's right. So our business is basically split in half. Half of our business is synthetic natural gas, which only happens on Oahu. And the other half of our business is propane, which is statewide. All major islands, including Oahu let's focus on the s and G. I think that's really the interesting story here. So, the s and G, basically south shore of Oahu. Volume wise, we produce about three bcf of gas per year. [00:09:15] Speaker D: Wow. [00:09:16] Speaker C: Which is relatively small in comparison to our mainland counterparts. [00:09:20] Speaker D: Sure. [00:09:21] Speaker C: But the S G plant located in Campbell Industrial park, which is the southwest corner of Oahu. [00:09:29] Speaker D: Okay. [00:09:30] Speaker C: Right next to the refinery that used to be under the same ownership as Hawaii gas. So, back in the 70s, when that refinery was built, it was built to serve jet fuel, gasoline, diesel. [00:09:47] Speaker D: Okay. [00:09:47] Speaker C: And then a lot of the heavy stuff ended up for power generation fuel oil. But when you refine oil into its constituents, you end up with a cocktail called Nakta, which is a bunch of c five s. No market for that in Hawaii. So, looking for a process to utilize that NASA and make a product that would serve the market, we found a process called the lergy process. And our S G plant is built with the lergy process. It's a steam reformation process that breaks the naphtha hydrocarbon chain into methane. We also produce hydrogen to support that process. So, in the process of making the methane, which is basically the target molecule. Right. [00:10:40] Speaker D: Right. [00:10:40] Speaker C: We end up with some surplus hydrogen. And since the very first day, 1974, we decided to leave it there. Our town gas had hydrogen in it. [00:10:50] Speaker D: Okay. [00:10:51] Speaker C: We didn't think it would be any different, so we left it there. We did all of the testing required, and the appliances were fine with it. Everyone was happy. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Okay, so no issue at the burner tips? [00:11:00] Speaker C: No issue at the burner tip. The process was designed for anywhere up to 15% hydrogen. [00:11:08] Speaker B: And you're pretty much ethic, because what I read. [00:11:11] Speaker C: Yeah, we say up to 15, but historically, we see somewhere between ten and twelve as the normal concentration of hydrogen in a gas. Okay, so the term blending suggests that you're adding hydrogen to the natural gas. In our case, it's part of the production process, and it's part of the final product, so we just don't remove it. [00:11:38] Speaker B: Okay, light bulb time. [00:11:40] Speaker D: Right. [00:11:40] Speaker C: So we do have a blend, but we're not doing blending. A little different. Very subtle. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Where us on the mainland, we're exploring blending right now. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Adding hydrogen to the decarbonize, the methane. We're just never right. I wish I could take credit for Hawaii gas for being the first to decarbonize 50 years ago. [00:11:58] Speaker D: Sure. [00:11:59] Speaker C: But it was a characteristic of our process. We left it there. We became the 50 year old lab rat. [00:12:08] Speaker A: Okay, thank you for your work. [00:12:11] Speaker B: When you look at five decades of proven history on that. That's absolutely phenomenal. [00:12:17] Speaker A: But that is all the buzz. Right. We're a part of a lot of associations. We were talking about it before the show, and everyone's talking about blending hydrogen. I'm sure that's what you were talking about it. [00:12:29] Speaker C: Exactly. I was asked by DCA to come and speak in one of their meetings here about the hydrogen blend. It happened about two and a half years ago. I think we hit the radar. [00:12:40] Speaker D: Sure. [00:12:40] Speaker C: And the phone started ringing and it hasn't stopped, I'm sure. I think I've done somewhere near 30 speaking engagements. Aga, Wei, a lot of distribution companies just reaching out directly to us, looking to share some experience on. What does it look like when you put hydrogen and methane together through a pipeline, through meters? What happens at the burner tip? [00:13:04] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:04] Speaker C: Are you modifying appliances? All of those questions have come out. [00:13:07] Speaker A: What do you do for corrosion? [00:13:09] Speaker C: That's right. [00:13:10] Speaker A: And those are my natural 50 years for corrosion data and other corrosion data. [00:13:15] Speaker C: What about hydrogen embriddlement? All of those questions are coming up. We're being asked to provide pipe samples for a lot of research. [00:13:22] Speaker A: Pipeline institute. [00:13:24] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:13:26] Speaker B: And that makes sense. Now, let me just give you again some of the mentalities that are going to be listening. When I was at Centerpoint, up in the north, in Minnesota, in the peak days, we would blend in ready propane, because during the times of very cold snaps, it was really, we needed to get as much into there. When it's negative 20 degrees, everybody has their heaters on. So it was a lot of heat load. And we would actually monitor that, because if you put too much propane in at certain points and it doesn't get blended up, it could be a hot load. So the burner tip is always a concern. But coming back, though, to understanding that we are really dealing with hydrogen part of the process, and you're not taking it out, you're just leaving it in there, or leaving most of it in there, up to 15, between ten and twelve. This will be great. I'll be honest with you. At the AGA meeting, I sit on the supplemental gas committee, which is about 193 lng, and everything else that's going to be, James and I are there, as well as most of a lot of the ewn folks. And so I'm going to bring this up at the end of April in my meeting. Some of the items I learned on that. [00:14:27] Speaker D: Right. [00:14:27] Speaker C: I actually did speak to a group with Ag. They have a hydrogen blending engineers group that was maybe about five or six months ago. Got on a virtual call with them. I think there are 200 people on a call. So everyone wanted to know, what does it look like? Yeah. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Let me ask you a quick question that's just going in my mind. So again, I look at the island and the refinery is there, production is there, and such like that. I know a lot of the islands deal with propane, and that's part of your business, too. Do you do any CNG yourself? Compressed natural gas or any LNG? Can we take this synthetic natural gas and cryogenic it down to an LNG, liquefied natural gas form or not? [00:15:12] Speaker C: So we do not liquefy the S and G. Okay. We just distribute it as a gas. [00:15:18] Speaker D: Okay. [00:15:18] Speaker C: We do bring in LNG from California. [00:15:21] Speaker D: Okay. [00:15:21] Speaker C: Containerized LNG. So 40 foot iso containers. We bring that in, we supplement supply with LNG on a small scale CNG. We have not done, because there has not been a wide adoption for CNG vehicles in Hawaii, and there has been a lot of hesitation to use the S G with that amount of hydrogen in it in an internal combustion engine. So I think there's still some research that needs to be done. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:15:55] Speaker C: That application would work. [00:15:56] Speaker D: Okay. [00:15:57] Speaker B: And again, please know I'm just asking questions. I'm putting on my general utility hat from the mainland. Just things that I think people are going to ask me when I sit in that aga committee meeting and such. [00:16:07] Speaker C: Gas nerd is coming out. [00:16:09] Speaker A: I wasn't going to say it. Well, and I mean, it's a compliment. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Well, no, and yourself too. What questions do you have? [00:16:18] Speaker A: We, we support the operator qualification sector, right, as a company. And so our brain sometimes goes to aocs and things like that. [00:16:28] Speaker D: Okay. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Being on a remote volcanic island chain. Right. Like things like that. How does that affect things like aocs? [00:16:36] Speaker C: Okay, so the uninteresting part of our hydrogen blend gas is that we have always behaved like a natural gas operator. So a lot of the OQ, our ONM manual plagiarized from soCal gas, the closest thing we have on the west coast. So over know we've copied industry best practices. [00:17:05] Speaker D: Absolutely. [00:17:05] Speaker C: We have the same AlC approaches, seismic activity, erosion, all of natural disaster type alcs, overpressure. If you looked at our response for alcs and our ONM manual, it's going to look very familiar because it'll be just basically off the shelf off of a California gas company. [00:17:30] Speaker B: And again, we're looking at a beautiful view right here. We're 100 yards away from the ocean. [00:17:35] Speaker C: Isn't that nice? [00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous. So the same aocs that would be for any ocean front utility. Exactly. [00:17:45] Speaker D: Okay. [00:17:45] Speaker B: And let me ask you another question that is unique to this one thing that in driving around yesterday, I noticed. Great. And I'll call them lava fields, and I would imagine they're on all the islands. Does that give you, on Oahu in that island, are there issues with running more gas pipes because of the lava fields, or do you put them above ground or around them, or how do you deal with that? [00:18:10] Speaker C: Because the lava fields are basically on this. [00:18:14] Speaker D: Oh, okay. [00:18:14] Speaker C: As you move up the island chain, those are older islands where most of the lava has kind of settled in with weather. [00:18:21] Speaker D: Okay. [00:18:21] Speaker B: Disintegrate organic material now is on it. [00:18:24] Speaker C: So one of the big challenges on Oahu in particular, when we're digging new trenches for pipelines, is we'll hit coral. [00:18:31] Speaker D: Okay. [00:18:32] Speaker A: All right. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Very hard to cut through. It makes the excavating work very slow and expensive. [00:18:39] Speaker D: Okay. [00:18:39] Speaker C: But I think that would be one of the bigger challenges. Of course, on the big island, when they do excavation, they do deal with some lava areas, but it depends on what part of the island, of course, the volcanic area on the east side, you get more of that lava rock. [00:18:57] Speaker B: So that's a little bit of another subset of an AOC as far as operation and implementation as well as installation. [00:19:05] Speaker C: That's right. [00:19:05] Speaker B: It could be different there and here. Over on Oahu, when you run into, are you doing mostly trenching or horizontal directional drilling? [00:19:13] Speaker C: We do a little bit of both. Okay. And it depends really on the terrain. Sometimes we open Trench, if not so much coral, we can directional bore. [00:19:24] Speaker D: Okay. [00:19:25] Speaker C: We do a little bit of both. Same idea. Yeah. It's not too different from what you'd expect? No. The gas molecule itself may look a little different, but what happens at the burner tip looks the same. We have the same blue flame with the hydrogen. Our gas heat value is a little lower than natural gas. 950 btu per cubic foot. [00:19:46] Speaker D: Okay. [00:19:47] Speaker C: But this phenomenon of having hydrogen in the gas, lower bq in the hydrogen, but lower specific gravity. Right. So at the orifice, more gas passes through, and you almost get the same btus at the burner tip. [00:20:03] Speaker D: Okay. [00:20:04] Speaker B: And that was going to be my next question. As far as burner tip orifice size, do you need to change anything out when. [00:20:09] Speaker C: No modifications. We buy natural gas appliances. Plug and play. [00:20:13] Speaker D: Okay. [00:20:13] Speaker B: So the same one that's going in Texas, we can have it over here and plug and play. [00:20:17] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:20:18] Speaker B: Phenomenal. [00:20:20] Speaker C: Does this make sense for the last 50 years? I mean, 50 years ago, folks were buying Home Depot, wasn't there, but folks were buying their range at Sears. Come home, plug it in. And the S and G was working fine on a natural gas appliance. And still happens today. No evidence over 50 years of any compromise to performance of appliances or lifecycle appliances. That's something that we're happy to share, everyone's happy to hear. And basically, again, it's a very uninteresting story because we look just like a natural gas operator. [00:20:58] Speaker B: And you. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very interesting. Obviously, we've been in the islands this entire week here at the DCA. [00:21:07] Speaker C: Isn't that a tough thing? I hate when that happens. [00:21:10] Speaker A: Listen, we've done our time in some places. I've stayed in a lot of embassy suites over the years. [00:21:17] Speaker C: It's wonderful to be here. [00:21:20] Speaker A: I know that this place is very sacred. It's very important for the people here. And I just wondered, is natural gas part of that? Or sometimes back in the mainland, natural gas is under attack. We're constantly trying to help people understand that there's a place for it. Right? Absolutely. I wonder how. [00:21:44] Speaker C: Of course. Very sensitive community to 100% our natural resources. Very sensitive community to energy resilience. Almost all of our energy is imported, with some of the renewable energies now being locally produced. So there's a little bit of both. There's a little bit of that sensitivity to we need to get away from fossil fuels. [00:22:09] Speaker D: Correct. [00:22:10] Speaker C: And our product is a fossil fuel, but we are working very hard to transition to renewable fuels. We're looking at renewable natural gas. At this point on Oahu, we're already taking renewable natural gas from one of our wastewater treatment plants. We're supplementing that into our S G system, biogas. We're looking for more of that. We're exploring anaerobic digestion as well as other technologies to produce locally produced renewable natural gas. And at the same time, we're trying to expand on our hydrogen blend and looking for green hydrogen, maybe produced by solar power or wind power or geothermal power. [00:22:53] Speaker D: Sure. [00:22:53] Speaker C: But there are some natural resources here in the islands that we can harness to make renewable electricity and in turn, make some green hydrogen, increase the hydrogen blend in our mix, maybe we'll be the first in the country to 20%. And that's what we would love to be. But absolutely, because there's a sensitivity to. We need to replace fossil fuels with renewable fuels. We're looking for ways to increase that in our portfolio. Sure. And then the other part, energy resilience. Right. Like Puerto Rico, we saw what happened when the hurricane came through? Knocked down the power lines and then there was a huge dependency on gas energy during that time for cooking and heating, for sterilization, for the hospitals. So we play a role in the energy economy for Hawaii when it comes to natural disasters and resilience and emergency response. [00:23:54] Speaker A: I've got a nerdy question. [00:23:56] Speaker C: Do it. [00:23:57] Speaker A: I'm waiting. Saving it up. Our boss, Jeff Isabelle, asked, what does mutual aid look like here? Because again, being out remote in comparison other states, and it's. It's a lot easier for mutual aid. [00:24:15] Speaker C: And we do belong to the mutual aid group, so we get pulled in whenever there's a call out for aid. Of course, the challenge is proximity, being 2500 miles away, so it's not easy to give or get. But being part of mutual aid groups gets us access to resources if ever we need it. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Okay, so we're talking really the west coast, a lot of entities along the west coast. [00:24:43] Speaker D: Okay. [00:24:44] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:24:44] Speaker D: All right. Good question. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a good one question. [00:24:48] Speaker C: I was ready for that one. [00:24:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker B: No, yeah, well, we'll have people on a plane. [00:24:53] Speaker C: Same challenge. Same challenge is just being 2500 miles from anything. It just makes it harder to move or deploy resources in either direction. [00:25:04] Speaker A: This is my last one. [00:25:06] Speaker D: No. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Another big obstacle in our industry right now as a whole is new talent. Right. And keeping talent and bringing new talent in and next generation talent. Are you all facing some of the same problems here on the islands? [00:25:23] Speaker C: Absolutely. And I think what we're seeing across the island is because of the cost of living in Hawaii, a lot of the local talent moving to the mainland for lower cost of living, higher wages. So it's very challenging for us to get talent, to keep talent, and to make sure that we have this succession plan. Yes, absolutely. For old guys like us who will eventually go and do podcasts. [00:25:55] Speaker A: We don't retire in this industry. We just moved to. [00:25:59] Speaker C: Well, that's right. But, yeah, the talent market is a tough one and it's getting tougher year after year. It's a deep concern for us. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah, well, you would think on an island you're like, well, I'm the only show in town. [00:26:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:26:16] Speaker A: I would have no competition. [00:26:18] Speaker C: But we're seeing a lot of our families from Hawaii migrating to the mainland, looking for lower cost of living, looking for higher wages, looking for opportunity. And it's a talent sink for us. It's something that we've been dealing with for some time now. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Okay, so what we've learned today is, please, basically, Kevin has every single same issues that we all have. I'm not simplifying it. [00:26:44] Speaker C: And some of them amplified. [00:26:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And what's great is that in some of these cases, you all have been a testament to working on these problems for years out of necessity. Like not blending. [00:26:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:59] Speaker A: All right. You never took it out. We didn't have to blend it back in. But those types of things, out of necessity are now the pioneers for some of the thoughts going on. Like you said, you spoke all last year and we'll speak all this year, I'm sure, about the very things that our industry are concerned about. [00:27:15] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. My mind is just spinning with people are going to be hitting, I know you up, me up and probably you too, as they want to explore a little bit more. Is there a place you could point people to? [00:27:29] Speaker A: I imagine the website has given your personal phone number. [00:27:33] Speaker C: It is area code. [00:27:34] Speaker B: No. [00:27:37] Speaker C: We'Re always here to help. I never back down from someone who asked about experience. We share a lot. [00:27:42] Speaker D: Sure. [00:27:42] Speaker C: But you can start with our web page, We actually have a clean energy section, section that talks about our s and g. We have a couple of videos on there that are pretty cool. Talking about our hydrogen blend in particular. So yeah, look it up. And you can always find us on social media. You can holler, LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn. Always willing to share. And in our industry, that's what we do. We share to just make us all better and keep us all safer. I think that's what I love being in this gas industry. Everyone looks out for each other and it's like one big family. [00:28:24] Speaker A: It is. [00:28:24] Speaker C: We call it here one big Ohana. [00:28:26] Speaker D: Ohana. [00:28:27] Speaker C: Ohana. Kevin James. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Absolutely. My pleasure. Our pleasure for you to join and. [00:28:34] Speaker C: Thank you for coming to Hawaii and spend more money for our economy and come more often. [00:28:38] Speaker A: My kids and my wife are doing that very good. [00:28:41] Speaker B: I think we need a follow up. [00:28:42] Speaker A: Trip to Oahu to do some research. [00:28:45] Speaker B: On site with the s g. If. [00:28:47] Speaker C: You'Re in oahu, I'll give you a tour of our s g plan. You'll love it. [00:28:54] Speaker A: We'll take you up on it. Hey, we'll be back.

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