CWJJ Ep 11 - Troy W. Hudson

February 04, 2021 00:34:03
CWJJ Ep 11 - Troy W. Hudson
Coffee With Jim & James
CWJJ Ep 11 - Troy W. Hudson

Feb 04 2021 | 00:34:03

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Voice Actor, Troy W. Hudson joins Coffee w/ Jim & James and he explains how adding professional voice over to e-learning makes the difference.

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Speaker 0 00:00:00 <inaudible> ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages. Welcome to the most amazing interview show on the information super highway. Now zooming to you live and simultaneously from two secret studio bunkers and ghoul time zones located somewhere South of Alaska, East of area 51 North of Guantanamo. And if it gives you one more clue, we'll all be in deep trouble. It's the amazing twin namesake separated at birth. The two most famous guys, not in witness protection. It's coffee with James and Jim and they're. Oh, so special guest host me, Speaker 1 00:00:45 Hold up, hold up, James. I think we've been hijacked. That is that unbelievable? That is the best intro we have had to date. I am blown away. Uh, I, is this unbelievable? I mean, I think our, our level just raised the bar just went up. I mean, that is great. I, as you can tell, this is going to be a fun episode. Uh, our special guests, Troy, we're going to introduce him in a second, but that just gives you a little taste of his talent in the voice acting world. And I am so excited for it as always. My partner is with me here. James, how are you today, sir? And would you mind doing a little intro of our special guests? Troy, please. I don't, I just don't know how you follow that, right. Uh, so let me, let me get this appointment now. Speaker 1 00:01:38 Uh, Troy always, always do a great job. Never disappointed. Appreciate it, Jim, I'd be glad to talk about Troy a little bit. I actually met Troy WN. Um, probably three or four years ago, give or take four years. I've been at EWM just over four years. And when I heard we were working with Troy on some new learning, uh, some voiceover work there, I was excited to get to know him. So we actually bonded on when he started doing some, uh, vlogs and, uh, petroleum. I really started talking about that and how cool that was also, Troy was my number one choice for MC last year EWN conference and training summit. Great, awesome. Awesome. Um, that's not the only way I know, I know you as a thought leader, um, in the voiceover voice acting world, uh, an accomplished videographer, um, had to disappoint chore. We couldn't use his awesome setup yet. We had to transition, but he took it in stride, but Troy, welcome to the show. So glad you're here. Can you give us, you know, my, my intro didn't really dream justice, but can you give us little more detail about how you got here? What, what got you into this world? And then secondly, give us that 30,000 foot view of what voice acting really entails. Speaker 0 00:03:11 Absolutely. James, Jim, thank you so much for letting me do that wacky intro for you guys. It is an honor to be here to, uh, to be on your, on your show. Um, I've been watching you guys and I'm excited about being a part of it. So it is indeed an honor. Thank you. Um, the 30,000 foot view, I guess. Oh, and by the way that, the biggest thing from my takeaway from last year's conference, you guys put me in a race car. Speaker 1 00:03:36 Yeah, yeah. I mean, people tell us that Troy, that's all they know about. EWN like, wait a minute. Speaker 0 00:03:44 That, and I got an EWN mug too. So Speaker 1 00:03:49 To get another mug pretty soon, they're on about it. Speaker 0 00:03:52 That right there, I keep my pencils and the race car mug that had my picture when I went around and car number 29, car number two. So that was a, that was amazing. Thank you. All you folks was, was great. Um, just, just to back in kind of back out of the story or add a few more details to what you were talking about, James, um, um, Myra, my essay, I'm actually the one who hired me like four years ago on some online job site. And I almost blew it at the time because, uh, I was feeling a little bit too big for my britches, I guess. And I was just like, well, I don't know about e-learning. Uh, and that was actually probably the, I want to say the second or third e-learning climate ever come in contact with. And I thought, you know, commercial was the way to go and, and, you know, the, the more things with a spotlight on them, I have come to absolutely love doing e-learning. Speaker 0 00:04:46 Um, and I'm so grateful for that opportunity that I, I, I w I, I got excited about doing that and I just love doing e-learning now the 30,000 foot view. Uh, I began doing voice acting way back in 83, 84. When I joined the military, uh, did a six year stint there did radio, TV, broadcasting, different things like that. Uh, lots of on camera and behind the camera work. Um, I also, I, when I transitioned out of that from 90 up and through about the year 2000, I'd worked in corporate in the corporate world, did a lot of, uh, video production there produced, directed, wrote on camera, voice voiceover, um, from, from about 2000 to 2012, uh, it was strictly commercial post-production house stuff. They'd bring a commercial in. I was doing editing 32nd spots edited about six or 700 commercials. Again, sideline sideline thing was voiceover. Speaker 0 00:05:44 So it wasn't until 2012, when that job went away, that I suddenly was left, trying to figure out what to do. I got laid off. And in 2012, I did a lot of, and I did a lot of soul searching and I decided to take the plunge into voice acting. And I found a few job sites, and I kind of figured out how to, how to market myself by following a few good mentors along the way. And I was blessed and fortunate to begin to gain momentum. And the whole thing was all about customer service for me and delivering over-delivering because I knew there was a lot of stiff competition and there is there's tens of thousands of these folks doing what I'm doing. And so I just began to grow the business. And so that kind of fast forward all the way up to where I'm at with you guys, I've been working with you guys, I guess, for the last four years now. Speaker 0 00:06:38 And I've done hundreds several hundred. I don't even know now, uh, uh, computer based training and virtual reality training. And I have come to put e-learning in a very special, uh, part of, of, of my day-to-day work, because there's something really special about knowing that, you know, a commercial's a one-off deal and, you know, character voice work that I do for some video games, uh, different things like that, that that's, if you want to call it glamorous, that's what people think of when they think of voice acting, but there's a whole element of narration and training and education that I personally just, I get a kick out of because you're, you're handed a lot of times this technical script that full of acronyms and things you don't really understand. And suddenly you have to be the smartest guy in the room, and I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I have to sound like the guy that is helping these folks, uh, understand it. So making that complex comprehensive is something I love to do with, with e-learning. And I'm so blessed that you guys keep calling on me to do that. Uh, and, and your crew, the education crew in your house is just phenomenal. Speaker 1 00:07:50 They are, you've got, um, one thing I've noticed is how, and this is just by following you, no other reason, but stalking you on LinkedIn, like, do most people I'm really good at it? Um, one thing I've noticed with the voiceover community is it seems pretty tight knit. Like, is that the vibe, I mean, is that really divided, it's put off or is it very competitive or it's like kind of a, be better environment like, uh, you don't see everywhere. Speaker 0 00:08:21 It is absolutely, uh, the most, um, friendly, welcoming sort of a brother sisterhood kind of environment that I've ever been exposed to. I mean, um, the fact that there's so much encouragement career nourishment along the way, people are trying to help you. I have run into so many great mentors and people you just ask questions of, and they're freely giving of the information they're encouraging. They'll, they'll tell you to, you know, there's more than one way to get to where you're going. You know, this may be my way, but there's other ways what I can offer you because it worked for me. And well, obviously there there's a business and coaching and business and production, you know, for your demos, there is such a welcoming, uplifting environment that, uh, I am super excited to be involved with. And, um, yeah, I've run into so many wonderful people in this industry that have helped me and it, and it's just kind of that immediate thing where you want to pay it forward and you just want to help those folks that are, they'd ask you, okay, where will your, where I was, or I want to be where you're at an X number of years, you know, how'd you get there? Speaker 0 00:09:28 What did you do? And it's, and it's really cool because, you know, you get that chance to say, here are the roadblocks, you know, here are the stumbling points, you know, what can I do for you to help you get through that? So it's been done for me and I like to do it for other folks too. So yeah, it's a great, it's a great industry Speaker 2 00:09:44 And sounds very much like the energy industry in very synergetic ways. The energy industry is so tight-knit, it's a, it's one of the smallest, biggest communities that I know of, but I want to ask. Yeah. And I think we want to ask her a question, cause I think our audience will want to know this. You make it look so simple. Uh, you make it look, uh, so carefree. So matter of fact, you do spend time every day practicing. Is there time that you do certain, you know, you talked about the community, do you and other voice actors work together to like practice. I mean, when you come in and do a e-learning for us, which is phenomenal. And I think that people it's almost like watching a TV show where you, you don't, you don't hear all the applause and everything, but if you ever see a TV show with all that taken out, it's like, it's like two different mediums. So I'm at throwing a lot of stuff at you, but what's your thoughts on some of those, some of those questions Speaker 0 00:10:37 I said, I'm not the smartest guy in the room. I'll have to go back to the first question. I'll see if I can remember it, but, Speaker 2 00:10:41 Um, Speaker 0 00:10:44 Smartest guy in the padded room on top of it. Yeah, that's right. It's completely padded. So that, that, that's one thing that, um, I want to go back to something you said about the, the, the utility, the industry you guys are in. Um, I got that vibe in that sense while I was there for three days, the, the connections, the friendships, the way you guys talk to each other, the, the genuine, the genuine authenticness that was there. I felt very much like, because I had worked with you guys for so long, and now I suddenly got to meet these long lost cousins or the family members. Speaker 0 00:11:20 I was, I was sort of the stepchild, but then again, I was not, I, I felt very welcomed and, and, and, uh, in, in, in good company. So thank you for that. Um, yeah, I mean, it's, it, it is a very nurturing environment. And you, you mentioned w do I practice, uh, do other people practice? There's things that a lot of voice actors do, they get into what are called logs. Wogs are workout groups to where you'll get a big, giant zoom screen of 15 or 20 different people. Somebody will host it. Somebody will send out copy, and everybody will go around and read based on the directions. Got. So that, that's the way that we stay in tune. There's a lot of people seek out coaches and they do their thing. A lot of people just download test scripts and they will work on the genre. Speaker 0 00:12:03 They really want to work on. Uh, so there's multiple different ways that you can, you can hone that craft for me. Honestly, it's gotten to the point and auditions are another way when you get requested to send an audition for a particular job for me. Anyway, I stay very, very busy. And so my practice really involves me just kind of scanning through and reading the scripts that I get as quickly as I can, as naturally as I can. And then actually going into the record, uh, studio to actually do it, uh, because a lot of times you don't have the luxury of looking. Like, for instance, later today, I've got something on the calendar. That's 87 pages long and about 6,000 words. Um, but it's very technical and it's for a utility group out West. And I don't even know which way important it's out West. Speaker 0 00:12:54 And, um, and so that doesn't allow me the time because of the deadline to go through and look other than to just check, do I know all these acronyms? Do I know all this stuff I did that this morning, I sent the questions off to the, uh, producer and they quickly responded back and told me what 50 different acronyms I'm not exaggerating meant. And so I got familiar with them. I said them out loud. And before I read it, I'll basically, I really don't have a luxury of going through a couple of times and, and, you know, dry reading or sorry, rehearsed reading. I'll do, what's called a cold read and I'll go through and I'll read a sentence. And then if that doesn't sound quite right, I'll just back up and do it again, and I'll fix it all in editing, and then I'll send it out to them later tonight or tomorrow. Speaker 0 00:13:37 So, uh, you're always in a state of practice. You're always rehearsing. Um, you're, you're always kind of fine tuning your, um, and I, cause I do a lot of different stuff before I got on with you guys. I, I dealt was, I was on a zoom call with a guy and perfect your Hertfordshire, England North of London. I think it was. And he was directing me on this crazy 3d audio game system where I was as captain on a boat and, you know, doing all this stuff. But now that it's so crazy, you know, the, the variety is so fun and it's like, sometimes I wish I could just do some things like that with e-learning, you know, just kind of break into a character or just, just do some silly stuff like that Speaker 1 00:14:18 One time. And mostly if it catches on you saying all that and all the, all the pre-work and probably post-work you do in general around whatever the subject matter is kind of makes me laugh. When I think of you prepping for a show, a show like we're on today and how much of a nightmare it must be for you to be with the termini today, uh, compared to what you normally do as far as Speaker 0 00:14:45 Not a nightmare, James, it's a dream come true. Speaker 1 00:14:49 He is he a voice actor world? And if we don't do a segment before, this is over a little chunk where we just make him use some of his awesome voices and we're really losing now. All right. So, so one thing Troy, that I wanted to ask you, because we've talked about, you know, the preparation of it and you know, all these different parts and pieces. Tell us a little bit about the logistical side, so, right. I mean, okay, so you've got to record something we're kind of tools and you don't have to give us any secrets. I'm just saying what's your ideal setup and how has that changed or what does that look like during this crazy time that we're in? Um, you know, are you mobile? Are you able to, you know, what what's that look like for you? Speaker 0 00:15:52 I've got a home studio that I in and I do all the editing in the same room. Um, I've got an iMac, uh, computer in one room with all of the external media drives. I've got four thunderbolts or Thunderbolt, two drives that store, all my audio files and video files. Uh, I use Adobe audition to record the audio. I use Adobe premiere to do any video work I'm doing and what I've got. I've got a string of banded cables, basically going into another room, which is the actual physical space I recorded in the padded room, which is where I'm at right now. Uh, all that other equipment is about 10 feet and two walls away from, uh, 20 feet and two walls away from me right now. So it's all I'm connected via a screen or a mirrored monitor to that iMac computer. And on what I'm looking at right now is a Dell 21 inch. Speaker 0 00:16:42 That's big enough for me to see scripts on I've got two, uh, monitors that I can use, uh, other than, uh, DT eight, eight DTA DT, seven 70 by dynamic headphones. Um, I've got over here is a Sennheiser right there, say, hello, this is the Sennheiser, MKH four 16 shotgun microphone. And it's got a unique pickup pattern that basically just is because it's a shotgun. It just points right here. And the pickup pattern is very narrow. So it's ideally, uh, it's great for voiceover work. A lot of film crews actually use it on, on movie sets because it's, it targets the sound because it picks up that, that pattern right here. So, and this little thing on the end is a called a pop screen. And if you can see that, but that is so the plosives, the peas and the B's mostly the, that sound I'm actually recording on a different mic, but if I were doing that, that'd be really obnoxious. Speaker 0 00:17:40 So that's what that is. Uh, again, sound treatment is super, super important, a lot of thick, uh, acoustical blankets, um, uh, foam tile, uh, sound absorption on the walls, uh, uh, windows stuff. So full of foam that, uh, it, it takes me a while when I moved to actually get it out, um, because I'm not in a, I'm in a rental property right now. So I'm not actually in a place that I can tear walls out and fix things I've had to improvise and figure that out over the years, what works best, the sound quality that the sound quality is so important because, um, people expect, you know, they're, they're so bombarded and saturated with high quality media every day. You expect the sound and I've heard this in so many different people's, uh, videos that the video may look amazing, but if you have really crappy sound, they're going to tune you out. Speaker 0 00:18:36 And it's going to be more distracting than if you get this occasional, you know, flutter in the video, or if it's less than optimum quality, they want to hear what you have to say. Same thing with the computer based training, same thing with the voiceover stuff you send out. So w uh, logistics wise, if I get a script, um, I stay connected to via my phone via different apps. Uh, I get audition requests. I have a regular group of wonderful people, like EWN that call on me to do different things. And I'm on numerous job sites where I will go out and submit bids and offers and things like that. So when I get a job, uh, they'll send me a script and directions, and they'll give me an estimated time that they need it. I'll send them back. Uh, I'll look at the script. Speaker 0 00:19:19 I'll read over it a few times. I'll crank it out, I'll record it onto Adobe audition. I'll edit it, I'll clean it up. And then I'll send it out as a wave file or as an MP3 file or whatever they need. And in the case of e-learning, a lot of times, in fact, in all cases, things are broken up in slides, separate pieces and elements. I'll deliver those to the education group. And, um, I'll make sure they're all happy and satisfied. And, and, and it's, that's basically the, the logistics of, you know, what, where I work and, you know, the, the equipment and, you know, the process. And usually in most cases, I'm turning around steps same day, if not next. And, uh, and I hate, I hate to, I hate to have people wait on me. I really do, because I feel like I'm that last cog they've kind of built the presentation and they're kind of waiting on me to plug stuff in. So I want to get it to them as fast as possible. Speaker 1 00:20:18 W what about, um, and I already know this answer because I'm a nerd. I asked Troy all these questions, uh, long before this interview ever started. Uh, but I know there's other nerds out there like me, right? That just love that, that description you gave about the microphone earlier. But what about, I know that you have a mobile set up that in a bond and when you're, you know, on vacation or whatever, and a client needs something in a heartbeat, um, you, you've got a mobile set up that you travel with as well. Speaker 0 00:20:51 Absolutely. Uh, I, that is critical, uh, today, and I've got count them four grandbabies right now ranging in age from eight down to just over two months. Speaker 1 00:21:05 Yeah. Speaker 0 00:21:05 Thank you. Um, and the two month old I haven't seen for, since I've never seen the two month old yet, I have not because of COVID and everything. And just, you know, mom and dad are keeping her safe, which is smart, but this Friday in a few days from when we're recording, uh, we'll get the chance to go down and actually see this sweet little girl. So having four grandkids spread around and family spread around, I thought a couple of years ago, I need to be able to pick up and travel and get a go-bag basically, but the quality needs to be as good as what I'm recording in my studio. And it doesn't when it comes to that. So if I can find that, then that's what I'll do. And I'll feel more comfortable about going as opposed to sending an email to somebody and saying, Hey guys, sorry, I'm out of the loop for three days or four days. Speaker 0 00:21:57 In this case, I said, that's not acceptable because that's an inconvenience to the people I work with and it just wouldn't fly. Um, and so for the, for the, the ability to travel and for just keeping business, I invested in, um, uh, um, what's called a DAW, uh, not a DAW. It's an audio interface, the, uh, a laptop computer, uh, and I'm a MacBook pro a Sennheiser microphone, um, and all the little accessories that go with it. And then it's just a matter of treating the space. Once I pull everything out of the case, it literally fits in a backpack. I pull it out, put it on a mic stand, and this is exactly how I handled the work. When I was in Texas with you guys last October for the conference, I was there in a hotel room in the Dallas Fort worth area. Speaker 0 00:22:51 And, uh, I think for three days, uh, including the event and I was bombarded with work, in addition to doing the responsibility you guys had me doing well, I was booked during that time. And when I was not with you guys, I was in that hotel room. I had set up cushions. I broken up the couch, uh, not break, but, you know, it took the cushions off. I had created a pillow Fort basis, multiplex, and multipurposed it in Japan. And, you know, figured out a way to do that. And as quiet a way as I possibly could, and, and just sat there on the edge of the bed and read the scripts off the laptop and just did my thing edited, edited them out, sent them out, and nobody ever knew. And that's, that's, that's the key right there. Nobody questioned the quality. I could hear no difference. It was, it sounded great. And so I Speaker 2 00:23:46 Was making, I was doing business making money at the same time, I was out there racing a car around the track. So hold on. I think he was moonlighting as well. I was supposed to be, uh, uh, emceeing and I was doing other stuff, but, uh, I appreciate you guys letting me do that. All of a sudden, it's interesting because he lived in a virtual world. When you think about it, his offices, a hotel, or, uh, a child's house or a grandchild's house, or, you know, wherever he can be. And that's kind of where a lot of us have migrated during this time of COVID and, uh, you know, it's nice. You don't have to preach mobility to us. We've been preaching it for a long time. I have really enjoyed watching, uh, the journey you guys have chronicled and kept track of on LinkedIn. Speaker 2 00:24:35 And I was honored to be part of a zoom meeting you guys had with, uh, uh, two or three dozen people, uh, about a month or so back. And it was amazing to watch you the webinar yes, the webinar. And that was very cool to be invited to it, to be part of that, to watch and see so many, you know, faces that I had a chance to meet. And some, I didn't get a chance to meet out in Texas, but to get to watch you guys evolving and figuring it out and kind of being at the forefront of, of learning how to do that before it ever became necessary for you to do that. I thought that was really good forward. Thinking on your part and on your cruise part. Well, we sure our bosses are listening. Speaker 2 00:25:18 One more time, please. A little bit louder until you in setting the pace, remote working pandemic, please. I love it. Next challenge. This is really rolling through here. Okay. I'm done. So in this next one, you can do it in whatever voice you'd like. Uh, Troy, we've seen your talents, right. Um, because we've worked with you for the last four years, but I think one of the big opportunities for our industry, other industries is realizing, you know, training and things like that happen everywhere. And you've already said there's a, there was a, a passion in it. And I, now you have, and kind of that sub genre. And so when I look across and I see the focus of our industry and natural gas industry on really customizing training to where, you know, it's specific to your company, there's no question, right. It's addressing the things. What are your thoughts on the value of voiceover? The value of voiceover in e-learning, um, is, is so critical. And, and I get where some people are like, uh, you know, it's, you know, show them visuals or do PowerPoints, or, or do the Speaker 0 00:26:44 Ability to communicate effectively with somebody in a very natural, conversational way. While there may be somebody that knows a to Z everything about a topic, uh, you know, far as the safety, as far as the, the regs, as far as, you know, the equipment, as far as every acronym that you could possibly know, I get there the matter experts. And I respect that completely. I think what, uh, having a professional voiceover person to help guide the people that are in most cases, a captive audience, I think that, uh, you guys do a great job. I've seen some of the video production quality come out of your, your education group. It is phenomenal. It is really top shelf stuff. And, um, knowing I was able to see that I'd done a lot of voiceovers for you guys before, but then seeing that just kind of brought it up to a whole new level. Speaker 0 00:27:33 I was like, you know, I don't know how, I don't always know how, you know, the narration parts being used. I don't always know the best way to convey that other than just to look at it and go, okay, that, you know, I w I would emphasize this, or I would speak it like this, or who's listening. I like to kind of know who's listening and, you know, and, and kind of get a mental picture of people sitting there, or even one person sitting there on their iPad or their iPhone or whatever they're doing. The ability to communicate that effectively is super, super important because the sound of the human voice, not in electronic digitized voice, digitized voice, but the sound of a, a normal human speaking, conversational voice telling you folks be careful out there. This is a matter of life and death. If you do this something bad could happen. Speaker 0 00:28:20 Having that sense of a caring person on the other end, um, is something I really get excited about doing, because there's, you can look at it as dry kind of, you know, basic information and facts on a page, or you can look at it as the person on the other end of that, listening to your voice, looking at those visuals, some of this is, is seriously life and death. Some of it is making a difference to whether or not they get moved on, or they can keep a certain rating or a certain accreditation or whatever it may be that I take that really serious when I'm, when I'm looking at that, I don't just skim over and go. So you have a far, 1920 2.1, blah, blah, blah, blah, PPE. It's like, that is it's really important stuff. And it's like, they may have heard it a hundred or a thousand times. Speaker 0 00:29:04 And I got a few, a few guys feedback, a few folks feedback at the conference. I sat at a table and had lunch with these guys. And they were telling me, you know, Oh, you're that guy I've heard. How many hundreds of times I was like, yeah, what'd you think so, you know, I get that. They're a captive audience. So you want to make it as interesting as you possibly can. And you'd want to try to tell a story, even though you're doing e-learning and it's, it may be very factual, just, you know, it's cut and dry, the ability to just kind of break it down and talk. It naturally is a challenge, but it's, it's a cool challenge at the same time. And I'd take it a serious business. Speaker 2 00:29:42 What you do take as a serious business. Now, I'll say this, that we may not always notice it as I'll just say, participants out in the utility world, but when we're listening to you talk and we're looking and reading, or following along, or a video or something, and the inflection in your voice, when it becomes a critical step, you know, you, you have that talent where our, our auditory picks up saying, well, wait a minute, this is serious. We really need to pay attention because the voice I'm hearing says that you shall that, that, that, uh, or be very, you know, dah, dah, dah. And it is that tone that really sets us. It kind of makes us go, wait a minute. I gotta pay T I mean, not that I don't always pay attention cause I do games anyways. Um, but anyways, it really helps. And it's all part of the whole package. And I commend you on that because it's a tremendous talent. Speaker 0 00:30:34 Thank you, Jim. That, that actually means a lot to me because, um, I assume I'm getting that across, but actually hear you say it. I mean, that's, that's, that's what I'm going for. I mean, it's just to make it it's to make it conversational, make it sound, you know, where the important stuff is. Stop, pause a little bit. Don't rush through that part, convey that this is important and now let's move on to some of the other stuff, but thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. Speaker 1 00:31:00 So, Troy, um, like we always do about this time. We could talk all day with you. You're one of those guests that it's so fascinating what you do. And it's one of those also that when you don't realize it's there, you don't realize it's there until it's not there. And so, uh, uh, we've taken it for granted, like most people do, uh, but we can sit here and talk all day. Do you have any final thoughts or, or, you know, anything you're compelled to tell our audience before we wrap this thing up? Speaker 0 00:31:34 Well, I talk all day for a living. So, you know, whether I'm talking to you or recording something for someone, um, I, I, I can't, um, I can't thank you guys enough, uh, for having me on part of this, cause I've seen the esteem line of lineup of guests you guys have had, and to be included in that and to, to be able to, to work with EWN and the various groups that you guys reach out to. I have no idea sometimes how far out it goes. Um, e-learning for me is, is honestly a passion. It's become a passion of mine because I realized the importance of it. And I love the quality of writing that has gone up. The, the scripts that I get over time is, is really, really cool. I mean, because I've gotten some, not you guys, but I've gotten some stuff that really struggled as far as, um, uh, it was handled by somebody that, you know, I think they really didn't understand that a human being was going to be talking and sharing this with other folks and having a good, you know, a writing base, a good understanding of that, Speaker 2 00:32:40 And then letting somebody interpret that, uh, is so important. Um, so yeah, I would just say that, uh, uh, voiceover in e-learning, you know, it's, it's obviously, it's a huge thing and it's, I'm, I'm very fortunate and blessed to have it be part of my business. And thank you guys for, uh, continuing to call on me. Absolutely. And Troy we're, we're blessed to have you on today. We thank you greatly for the time, uh, as James and I, I know we both feel right now, we could talk for hours on this and just listen to you because it's fascinating. And, uh, I can't thank you enough for joining us today. Uh, we would encourage our audience if you would like to get to know Troy, um, you know, uh, Troy w Hudson on LinkedIn, uh, connect with Troy, send them a message, reach out to them, uh, please do, or James or myself, if you want to reach out to us, we're always here, just hit that, uh, uh, message button and send us a message. But until next time we wish everybody in the industry as safe and healthy and happy day, have a blessed day. Everybody take care and we will see you soon on the next episode of coffee with Jim and James. Speaker 2 00:33:54 Thanks again. Thanks again. Thank you guys. Yep. Speaker 3 00:33:57 <inaudible>.

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